The mini-me project. Head swap
- saxophonias
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The mini-me project. Head swap
The so well known mini-me project that made Joris famous to the d14 community
He must be the first who actually performed the swap.
Dodo the floor is yours!
He must be the first who actually performed the swap.
Dodo the floor is yours!
- Dodo Bizar
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
I am second with it I belive, but first succesful attempt hehe. Tomorrow gonna do some copy poasting here . First attempt I know off was I believe a German guy on maxrev.de(?) that after it failed put his engine at the srapheap. Could not find the topic anymore.
Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
And some years after you i will try it also ! I think it would worth the try. I've some friends that can help me and sell the material. Congratulations for the achievement
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
There are two others running in the neighbourhood, I think both cam close to 140 bhp.
Actually thinking of a retune of my setup, doubting its power right now.
Actually thinking of a retune of my setup, doubting its power right now.
Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
How ever... you are official guru of d14 mods, and "the one who put vtec on d14"
- saxophonias
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
This is for sure
Maybe add a write up of the mini- me here?
Maybe add a write up of the mini- me here?
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
Note: before doing the VTEC head swap you need the IM swap and OBD1 conversion!
This is the biggest step of my (insane?) D14A3 project so far. It is based on the classic mini-me setup (D16Z6 head on D15B2/B7 block). Because I have a Civic City, I called this particular swap the City-me. This step followed right after my OBD1 conversion and it already ran 136.000 km without problems on a total of 326.000 km. Oil consumption improved because the state of the VTEC head seemed better compared to my old head. My car now uses 0.5 litre of oil in 10.000-15.000 km, so refilling is unneccessary between oil changes. Before I start with the swap itself, I want to tell why the head swap is usefull. As you might have observed the VTEC SOHC heads are almost identical to the non-VTEC SOHC heads. The combustion chambers are alike, the valves are the same, even the rockerarm assemblies can be interchanged! The resulting CR (compression Ratio) are (almost) identical, this in contradiction to mini-me swap on D15B2/B7 engines resulting in fairly high CR. So there really is only one reason to do it: to make VTEC possible. The non-VTEC heads can not be equipped (easily) with the VTEC system. So let’s swap and start with my shopping list:
Shopping lists for the headswap (parts I had):
-D16Y8 head, gives CR of ~9.5, D16Z6/Z9 head will be fine to and give CR ~9.1
-D16Z6 cam, D16Y8 will work fine to
-Megan adjustable cam gear, any brand will do
-OEM part 90741-657-000 or Woodruff key, (needed to mount cam gear)
-OEM part 12251-P2J-004 or headgasket D14A3/4, it is the same famous 3 layer from D16Y8 engines
-New coolant and oil
-Torque wrench!
Optional (and I had it):
-D16Z6 distributor (TD-42U) which actually only fits on the D16Z6/Z9 head, see later
-JDM:Password heatshield
Taking of the D14A3/A4 head
Start by removing all cables and hoses from the head. It is advised to remove all liquids from the engine. I didn’t. It can make a mess! Remove the valve cover. Removing the rocker arm assembly is not necessary. However, it can lighten the job and the timing belt is easier to handle that way. The rocker arm assembly can be removed by loosening 14 bolts in total, working from the outside to the inside. Sometimes the assembly will not come of easily. In that case I advise to turn over the cam shaft once (with the timing belt still on it!) and it will pop up. After removing the rocker arm assembly you can lift the cam shaft a little on the distrubutor side to remove the timing belt from the cam gear. Power steering lines are annoying, but let them were they are. Now the head is ready to be taken of. The head should be loosened with care to prevent bending and twisting. Always loosen the bolts one turn at a time working from bolt no. 10 to no.1 (see picture below), keep repeating this until the bolts are really loosened and take them all out. The same bolts can be reused later. Than the head can be taken of. Take care of the 2 centering rings that centre your head. They are placed around the 3nd and 5th bolt. My head looked like this after opening it up:
Block open
Mounting the VTEC head
People wondering about the so-called oil plug you have to remove from the oil jet when putting a VTEC head on a D15B2/B7 engine should wonder no longer. The oil plug simply isn’t there, so nothing to remove. Instead we can clean all the mess if any. I had spilled coolant on the pistons, you can see the coolant in the side pockets. After cleaning put on the new head gasket (never ever reuse head gaskets!) and install the two centering rings in holes 3 and 5 first. Gently put the VTEC head over the centering rings and place the head bolts back. Make sure no oil is left in the holes. However, the bolts should be a little greasy. This time you should work from no. 1 through no. 10. The head bolts should be tightened using a torque wrench. First apply 20 Nm of torque on all bolts, then 45 Nm and 67 Nm as last. Bolts no. 1 and 2. should be tightened a 4th time with the same 67 Nm.
Distributor
People wondering about the distributor needed, I assume all D-serie SOHC heads with the spark plugs at the front have interchangeable distributors. Sometimes a few wires can be changed or the internal timing is a bit different depending on the cam shaft used. The bolt pattern is always the same it seems. Except for the D16Z6/Z9 distributors. Those seem completely unfit for the other heads. The bolts do not line up at all. So that means I had a huge problem. Because I have the ‘normal’ D16Y8 head but a D16Z6 cam lies in it. First I put on a few TD-41U distributors (from D15B7) engines. Unfortunatly with the ECU ignition maps advanced 10 degrees and various distributors advanced to the max, the timing was 8 deg retarded at best. It should be 16 deg +/-2 BTDC, but I only managed to get 8 deg BTDC. My solution was to use a D16Z6 rocker arm assembly so a TD-42U distributor (from D16Z6) fitted on 1 bolt. This is the way I still drive. One bolt is not as safe as three, but it holded about 135.000 km already. And now the ignition can be adjusted perfectly.
As you might see I state holded 135.000kms while I have driven it 136.000. Yesterday I found out the bolt hole had weakened and all thread came out. Discovered it since the dizzy was gone bad. When measuring timing it was 6 BTDC instead of the expected 18... big whoops! Luckily enough I had a spare unit with working parts that I swapped out and fixed the bolt by a normal M8 bolt which is longer than OEM.
Camshaft
Now the cam shaft can be put into place. When using an aftermarket, adjustable cam gear, a Woodruff key is needed (see picture below) or the cam gear can not be mounted. When changing cam gears, 38 Nm of torque need to be put on the cam gear bolt. Normally, you can not apply this amount of torque holding the cam shaft some how. For now torque it down a little, 38 Nm of torque can be applied later when the timing belt is in place.
Woodruff key
Timing
The timing belt does not need replacement. However if you need to, this is the right time. The timing belt needed is the normal 103 tooth D14A3/A4 timing belt. The main dimensions of the D14A3/A4 head are identical to D16Z6/Z9/Y8 heads and therefore the cam shaft is in the same spot relative to the crank shaft. The best way to put on the timing belt is the reversed way of taking it off. Lift up the cam shaft at the distributor side and slide on the timing belt. Make sure you got the timing right, this is one of the most crucial steps between succes and total failure regarding the bhp you get.
Timing marks on OEM PM3B cam gear
Let’s review normal timing on the D14A3 engine. On the PM3B cam gear used throughout many D-serie engines (D15B2/B7/Z1/Z3, D16Z6/Z9 and D14A3/A4 to name a few) there are three timing marks. I named them 3, 7 and 9 O’clock. It depends on the engine what combination of timing marks you need to focus on. Variations in cylinder head, deck height and crank gear timing can lead to three possibilities known by me.
On the crank pulley there are always four timing marks. Three of them are very close together with the middle one red. On the D14A3/A4 engines those marks are 10, 12 and 14 deg before top dead centre or BTDC. Those are needed for timing the ignition (see the OBD1 swap article). Now we need the fourth mark, a white stripe which is on TDC itself. The TDC mark should line up with another mark on the block. When done correctly the 1st and 4th piston should be up like in the first picture “block open” of this article. When the crank is exactly on TDC you can put the timing belt on the cam gear.
The cam gear of D14A3/D14A4 engines should be alligned using the 7 O’clock mark. Fortunatly this is the same for D16Z6/Z9 engines. So without an adjustable cam gear you can time the cam properly. However to get the maximum horsepower available you need one. Unfortunatly, most cam gears don’t come with 7 O’clock marks. Instead you should count the number of teeth. Personally I count from the bottom teeth, go 2 teeth clockwise and add 1/3rd tooth. Then it should be lined up with the 7 O’clock mark on the head. Now you should be able to torque the cam gear bolt down with 38 Nm.
Looking closer to the cam gear when mounted you will see it is impossible to align the crank at TDC and the cam at the 3 or 9 O’clock marks. Those marks are always a half tooth off. If considering a stock D15Z1 or D15Z3 engine for example, you will find that the 3 and 9 O’clock marks always line up and the 7 O’clock mark is impossible to reach. The third way of aligning known to me is for D15B2/B7 engines. For these engines the 3 and 9 O’clock marks should align with the top of the deck. There is no 7 O’clock mark on the head if I am correct. A D16Y8 engine has another cam gear, it is aligned at 3 and 9 O’clock marks, but the nipple is advanced a half tooth compared to the PM3B cam gear.
Rocker arm assembly
After mounting the cam gear and aligning the timing belt you can put the VTEC rocker arms on. Make sure all rocker arms are in their correct places, it can be difficult to keep 16 rocker arms up. And make sure all VTEC drums (the little cylinders found between the rocker arms) keep their place. The bolts of the rocker arm assembly should be torqued down going from the middle bolts to the outside bolts. The larger bolts should be torqued down to 22 Nm. The four smaller bolts at the sides should be torqued down to 10 Nm. As for the head bolts, make sure no oil puddle is left in the shafts. A little greas is no problem.
Valves
After placing the rocker arm assembly, the valves should be adjusted. Valves need to be adjusted with the engine cold, inlet valves 0.20 mm +/- 0.02, exhaust valves 0.25 mm +/- 0.02. Start with cylinder 1. The ‘up’ sign on the cam gear should face up. After adjusting the valves of cylinder 1, turn the cam 90 deg counter clockwise, the ‘up’ sign should face to the left, and adjust cylinder 3. Turn the cam further till the ‘up’ sign faces downwards and adjust cylinder 4. The last set of valves from cylinder 2 can be adjusted when the ‘up’ sign faces right. Note that the securing bolts on the rocker arms need 20 Nm of torque.
Turning the cam is very difficult with the rocker arm assembly mounted. You can turn the cam shaft using the cam gear bolt. However it might get loose from the resistance in the head. I always put the left front wheel of the car in the air, put the car in 5th gear and turn the wheel in order to turn the cam.
Head mounted, VTEC solenoid, heatshield gasket between IM and cam gear are visible
Finishing
After mounting the valve cover (make sure you do not break these very fragile bolts, try to minimize the pressure on each bolt when turning down) my car looked like this. You can see my Megan cam gear (almost alike if not the same as Skunk2 pro-series?). I did not mount a cam gear cover at the time of the picture because I wanted to adjust the cam timing at the dyno first. Nowadays, I drive with the stock D14 cover. D16 cover will not fit because of the deck height. I recommend everybody to drive with a cam gear cover, timing belts can easily be damaged by incoming dirt, stones etc. A heatshield from JDM:Password was mounted to keep heat out of the IM. However, its functionality is doubted by many. The VTEC solenoid somewere in the back and the the cylinder head code (P2J-2 instead of P2A-6) are the only clues left that there is something special going on.
Results
During the first days of this car I had only 122 bhp, mainly because it was timed like a normal D16Z6 engine. Later on the dyno it was found that retarding the cam while keeping the ignition timing at the same level gained 11 bhp. The torque of the engine was not modified. However the rpms at which the torque occurred went up. After I bought a Zeitronix ZT2 wideband lambda and adjusted the air fuel mixture properly, as well as replacing the cat one additional run was performed once. This time 136.6bhp@7500rpm and 140Nm@6500rpm was the result.
After installing a Skunk2 intake manifold with 70 mm throttle body and re-installing the cat converter, the power band was identical up to 7000 rpm with the earlier made 133 bhp measurement. After 7000 rpm, 5 bhp was gain at 7700 rpm, resulting in 138 bhp. Torque was down again to about 135 Nm @ 6200 rpm. A bit disappointing, but I am convinced better numbers will come in the future.
Last two dyno results so far with this setup, red with cat replacement and D16Z6 IM, blue with cat converter and Skunk2 IM
The VTEC point at this moment is very high, about 5600rpm, the dyno suggests that I even might try a later VTEC point.The next movie demonstrates my car when it had 133bhp. On the strip I drove a 15.960 at the 1/4 mile and 10.339 at the 1/8 mile.
Best time slip so far, yes I lost…
Current situation
Below a recent picture of my engine bay is shown. In the background the Skunk2 stuff is visible and in the foreground a Simota aero form is seen. I bought this intake second-hand for its inlet tube so I could re-install the IAT sensor again for more constant temperature measurements. I tried the filter element with its fake carbon shield. The filter has a smaller filter area compared to classical open air filters and it has a very sharp edge on its inside (why can’t some of these manufacturers not bother to make a proper entry!?). So I figured the filter installed would be disappointing, but actually I have a very good feeling that no power is lost. On the other hand this filter could be installed more firmly (my old open air filter seems to have bend the metal a bit on the chassis were it was connected) and the looks are quite nice… I keep it this way. Maybe try to get a more descent filter.
Recent engine bay picture
Further improvement
Finally I bring you people my Skunk2 results, many know it already by email contact or so, but a year ago I reached 145.1 bhp. Time and priority on my site was low, but here is the dyno:
In blue the Skunk2 cam, in red the OEM cam, notice that red is lower than before, due to very conservative chosen wheel losses.
Unfortunately the S2 cam did not fit in my D16Y8 head right away, a small bit of material needed to be cut away for the 2nd and 3rd cylinder VTEC lobes. After installing the cam I installed Skunk2 springs and retainers so revs could go up to 8100 rpm. I planned to change the pistons (and compression ratio) and rods in 2008 to target 9000 rpm. However the purchase of a second Civic with B16B (which I over revved already to 9500 rpm hehehe) limited my budget for 2008 and 2009. Hopefully the D14 keeps staying alive and maybe 2009/2010 we get those inside.
With this setup I did enter a ¼ mile sprint contest, however no improvement was found! I still needed 16.0 seconds to reach the other end and the top speed was down from 144 kmh in 2006 to 137 kmh in 2008. Only reasons I can think of are: I dyno tuned with an adjustable FPR, later on I had CRX2 come over and map my ECU to use the OEM FPR. Mayby in that process something went wrong, but it didn’t feel that way. The other reason is that the car has been lowered by D2 springs (and aligned). In the past the back of the car was raised a few cm, I undid that by lowering the car to equal 12 cm ground clearance for and aft. Mayby that had such an impact on aerodynamics? Re-dynoing and re-aligning are considered.
This is the biggest step of my (insane?) D14A3 project so far. It is based on the classic mini-me setup (D16Z6 head on D15B2/B7 block). Because I have a Civic City, I called this particular swap the City-me. This step followed right after my OBD1 conversion and it already ran 136.000 km without problems on a total of 326.000 km. Oil consumption improved because the state of the VTEC head seemed better compared to my old head. My car now uses 0.5 litre of oil in 10.000-15.000 km, so refilling is unneccessary between oil changes. Before I start with the swap itself, I want to tell why the head swap is usefull. As you might have observed the VTEC SOHC heads are almost identical to the non-VTEC SOHC heads. The combustion chambers are alike, the valves are the same, even the rockerarm assemblies can be interchanged! The resulting CR (compression Ratio) are (almost) identical, this in contradiction to mini-me swap on D15B2/B7 engines resulting in fairly high CR. So there really is only one reason to do it: to make VTEC possible. The non-VTEC heads can not be equipped (easily) with the VTEC system. So let’s swap and start with my shopping list:
Shopping lists for the headswap (parts I had):
-D16Y8 head, gives CR of ~9.5, D16Z6/Z9 head will be fine to and give CR ~9.1
-D16Z6 cam, D16Y8 will work fine to
-Megan adjustable cam gear, any brand will do
-OEM part 90741-657-000 or Woodruff key, (needed to mount cam gear)
-OEM part 12251-P2J-004 or headgasket D14A3/4, it is the same famous 3 layer from D16Y8 engines
-New coolant and oil
-Torque wrench!
Optional (and I had it):
-D16Z6 distributor (TD-42U) which actually only fits on the D16Z6/Z9 head, see later
-JDM:Password heatshield
Taking of the D14A3/A4 head
Start by removing all cables and hoses from the head. It is advised to remove all liquids from the engine. I didn’t. It can make a mess! Remove the valve cover. Removing the rocker arm assembly is not necessary. However, it can lighten the job and the timing belt is easier to handle that way. The rocker arm assembly can be removed by loosening 14 bolts in total, working from the outside to the inside. Sometimes the assembly will not come of easily. In that case I advise to turn over the cam shaft once (with the timing belt still on it!) and it will pop up. After removing the rocker arm assembly you can lift the cam shaft a little on the distrubutor side to remove the timing belt from the cam gear. Power steering lines are annoying, but let them were they are. Now the head is ready to be taken of. The head should be loosened with care to prevent bending and twisting. Always loosen the bolts one turn at a time working from bolt no. 10 to no.1 (see picture below), keep repeating this until the bolts are really loosened and take them all out. The same bolts can be reused later. Than the head can be taken of. Take care of the 2 centering rings that centre your head. They are placed around the 3nd and 5th bolt. My head looked like this after opening it up:
Block open
Mounting the VTEC head
People wondering about the so-called oil plug you have to remove from the oil jet when putting a VTEC head on a D15B2/B7 engine should wonder no longer. The oil plug simply isn’t there, so nothing to remove. Instead we can clean all the mess if any. I had spilled coolant on the pistons, you can see the coolant in the side pockets. After cleaning put on the new head gasket (never ever reuse head gaskets!) and install the two centering rings in holes 3 and 5 first. Gently put the VTEC head over the centering rings and place the head bolts back. Make sure no oil is left in the holes. However, the bolts should be a little greasy. This time you should work from no. 1 through no. 10. The head bolts should be tightened using a torque wrench. First apply 20 Nm of torque on all bolts, then 45 Nm and 67 Nm as last. Bolts no. 1 and 2. should be tightened a 4th time with the same 67 Nm.
Distributor
People wondering about the distributor needed, I assume all D-serie SOHC heads with the spark plugs at the front have interchangeable distributors. Sometimes a few wires can be changed or the internal timing is a bit different depending on the cam shaft used. The bolt pattern is always the same it seems. Except for the D16Z6/Z9 distributors. Those seem completely unfit for the other heads. The bolts do not line up at all. So that means I had a huge problem. Because I have the ‘normal’ D16Y8 head but a D16Z6 cam lies in it. First I put on a few TD-41U distributors (from D15B7) engines. Unfortunatly with the ECU ignition maps advanced 10 degrees and various distributors advanced to the max, the timing was 8 deg retarded at best. It should be 16 deg +/-2 BTDC, but I only managed to get 8 deg BTDC. My solution was to use a D16Z6 rocker arm assembly so a TD-42U distributor (from D16Z6) fitted on 1 bolt. This is the way I still drive. One bolt is not as safe as three, but it holded about 135.000 km already. And now the ignition can be adjusted perfectly.
As you might see I state holded 135.000kms while I have driven it 136.000. Yesterday I found out the bolt hole had weakened and all thread came out. Discovered it since the dizzy was gone bad. When measuring timing it was 6 BTDC instead of the expected 18... big whoops! Luckily enough I had a spare unit with working parts that I swapped out and fixed the bolt by a normal M8 bolt which is longer than OEM.
Camshaft
Now the cam shaft can be put into place. When using an aftermarket, adjustable cam gear, a Woodruff key is needed (see picture below) or the cam gear can not be mounted. When changing cam gears, 38 Nm of torque need to be put on the cam gear bolt. Normally, you can not apply this amount of torque holding the cam shaft some how. For now torque it down a little, 38 Nm of torque can be applied later when the timing belt is in place.
Woodruff key
Timing
The timing belt does not need replacement. However if you need to, this is the right time. The timing belt needed is the normal 103 tooth D14A3/A4 timing belt. The main dimensions of the D14A3/A4 head are identical to D16Z6/Z9/Y8 heads and therefore the cam shaft is in the same spot relative to the crank shaft. The best way to put on the timing belt is the reversed way of taking it off. Lift up the cam shaft at the distributor side and slide on the timing belt. Make sure you got the timing right, this is one of the most crucial steps between succes and total failure regarding the bhp you get.
Timing marks on OEM PM3B cam gear
Let’s review normal timing on the D14A3 engine. On the PM3B cam gear used throughout many D-serie engines (D15B2/B7/Z1/Z3, D16Z6/Z9 and D14A3/A4 to name a few) there are three timing marks. I named them 3, 7 and 9 O’clock. It depends on the engine what combination of timing marks you need to focus on. Variations in cylinder head, deck height and crank gear timing can lead to three possibilities known by me.
On the crank pulley there are always four timing marks. Three of them are very close together with the middle one red. On the D14A3/A4 engines those marks are 10, 12 and 14 deg before top dead centre or BTDC. Those are needed for timing the ignition (see the OBD1 swap article). Now we need the fourth mark, a white stripe which is on TDC itself. The TDC mark should line up with another mark on the block. When done correctly the 1st and 4th piston should be up like in the first picture “block open” of this article. When the crank is exactly on TDC you can put the timing belt on the cam gear.
The cam gear of D14A3/D14A4 engines should be alligned using the 7 O’clock mark. Fortunatly this is the same for D16Z6/Z9 engines. So without an adjustable cam gear you can time the cam properly. However to get the maximum horsepower available you need one. Unfortunatly, most cam gears don’t come with 7 O’clock marks. Instead you should count the number of teeth. Personally I count from the bottom teeth, go 2 teeth clockwise and add 1/3rd tooth. Then it should be lined up with the 7 O’clock mark on the head. Now you should be able to torque the cam gear bolt down with 38 Nm.
Looking closer to the cam gear when mounted you will see it is impossible to align the crank at TDC and the cam at the 3 or 9 O’clock marks. Those marks are always a half tooth off. If considering a stock D15Z1 or D15Z3 engine for example, you will find that the 3 and 9 O’clock marks always line up and the 7 O’clock mark is impossible to reach. The third way of aligning known to me is for D15B2/B7 engines. For these engines the 3 and 9 O’clock marks should align with the top of the deck. There is no 7 O’clock mark on the head if I am correct. A D16Y8 engine has another cam gear, it is aligned at 3 and 9 O’clock marks, but the nipple is advanced a half tooth compared to the PM3B cam gear.
Rocker arm assembly
After mounting the cam gear and aligning the timing belt you can put the VTEC rocker arms on. Make sure all rocker arms are in their correct places, it can be difficult to keep 16 rocker arms up. And make sure all VTEC drums (the little cylinders found between the rocker arms) keep their place. The bolts of the rocker arm assembly should be torqued down going from the middle bolts to the outside bolts. The larger bolts should be torqued down to 22 Nm. The four smaller bolts at the sides should be torqued down to 10 Nm. As for the head bolts, make sure no oil puddle is left in the shafts. A little greas is no problem.
Valves
After placing the rocker arm assembly, the valves should be adjusted. Valves need to be adjusted with the engine cold, inlet valves 0.20 mm +/- 0.02, exhaust valves 0.25 mm +/- 0.02. Start with cylinder 1. The ‘up’ sign on the cam gear should face up. After adjusting the valves of cylinder 1, turn the cam 90 deg counter clockwise, the ‘up’ sign should face to the left, and adjust cylinder 3. Turn the cam further till the ‘up’ sign faces downwards and adjust cylinder 4. The last set of valves from cylinder 2 can be adjusted when the ‘up’ sign faces right. Note that the securing bolts on the rocker arms need 20 Nm of torque.
Turning the cam is very difficult with the rocker arm assembly mounted. You can turn the cam shaft using the cam gear bolt. However it might get loose from the resistance in the head. I always put the left front wheel of the car in the air, put the car in 5th gear and turn the wheel in order to turn the cam.
Head mounted, VTEC solenoid, heatshield gasket between IM and cam gear are visible
Finishing
After mounting the valve cover (make sure you do not break these very fragile bolts, try to minimize the pressure on each bolt when turning down) my car looked like this. You can see my Megan cam gear (almost alike if not the same as Skunk2 pro-series?). I did not mount a cam gear cover at the time of the picture because I wanted to adjust the cam timing at the dyno first. Nowadays, I drive with the stock D14 cover. D16 cover will not fit because of the deck height. I recommend everybody to drive with a cam gear cover, timing belts can easily be damaged by incoming dirt, stones etc. A heatshield from JDM:Password was mounted to keep heat out of the IM. However, its functionality is doubted by many. The VTEC solenoid somewere in the back and the the cylinder head code (P2J-2 instead of P2A-6) are the only clues left that there is something special going on.
Results
During the first days of this car I had only 122 bhp, mainly because it was timed like a normal D16Z6 engine. Later on the dyno it was found that retarding the cam while keeping the ignition timing at the same level gained 11 bhp. The torque of the engine was not modified. However the rpms at which the torque occurred went up. After I bought a Zeitronix ZT2 wideband lambda and adjusted the air fuel mixture properly, as well as replacing the cat one additional run was performed once. This time 136.6bhp@7500rpm and 140Nm@6500rpm was the result.
After installing a Skunk2 intake manifold with 70 mm throttle body and re-installing the cat converter, the power band was identical up to 7000 rpm with the earlier made 133 bhp measurement. After 7000 rpm, 5 bhp was gain at 7700 rpm, resulting in 138 bhp. Torque was down again to about 135 Nm @ 6200 rpm. A bit disappointing, but I am convinced better numbers will come in the future.
Last two dyno results so far with this setup, red with cat replacement and D16Z6 IM, blue with cat converter and Skunk2 IM
The VTEC point at this moment is very high, about 5600rpm, the dyno suggests that I even might try a later VTEC point.The next movie demonstrates my car when it had 133bhp. On the strip I drove a 15.960 at the 1/4 mile and 10.339 at the 1/8 mile.
Best time slip so far, yes I lost…
Current situation
Below a recent picture of my engine bay is shown. In the background the Skunk2 stuff is visible and in the foreground a Simota aero form is seen. I bought this intake second-hand for its inlet tube so I could re-install the IAT sensor again for more constant temperature measurements. I tried the filter element with its fake carbon shield. The filter has a smaller filter area compared to classical open air filters and it has a very sharp edge on its inside (why can’t some of these manufacturers not bother to make a proper entry!?). So I figured the filter installed would be disappointing, but actually I have a very good feeling that no power is lost. On the other hand this filter could be installed more firmly (my old open air filter seems to have bend the metal a bit on the chassis were it was connected) and the looks are quite nice… I keep it this way. Maybe try to get a more descent filter.
Recent engine bay picture
Further improvement
Finally I bring you people my Skunk2 results, many know it already by email contact or so, but a year ago I reached 145.1 bhp. Time and priority on my site was low, but here is the dyno:
In blue the Skunk2 cam, in red the OEM cam, notice that red is lower than before, due to very conservative chosen wheel losses.
Unfortunately the S2 cam did not fit in my D16Y8 head right away, a small bit of material needed to be cut away for the 2nd and 3rd cylinder VTEC lobes. After installing the cam I installed Skunk2 springs and retainers so revs could go up to 8100 rpm. I planned to change the pistons (and compression ratio) and rods in 2008 to target 9000 rpm. However the purchase of a second Civic with B16B (which I over revved already to 9500 rpm hehehe) limited my budget for 2008 and 2009. Hopefully the D14 keeps staying alive and maybe 2009/2010 we get those inside.
With this setup I did enter a ¼ mile sprint contest, however no improvement was found! I still needed 16.0 seconds to reach the other end and the top speed was down from 144 kmh in 2006 to 137 kmh in 2008. Only reasons I can think of are: I dyno tuned with an adjustable FPR, later on I had CRX2 come over and map my ECU to use the OEM FPR. Mayby in that process something went wrong, but it didn’t feel that way. The other reason is that the car has been lowered by D2 springs (and aligned). In the past the back of the car was raised a few cm, I undid that by lowering the car to equal 12 cm ground clearance for and aft. Mayby that had such an impact on aerodynamics? Re-dynoing and re-aligning are considered.
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
doing this soooooooooooooooooooooooooon, im a bit weary about the OBD1 swap though.
Is it worth buying this conversion harness; http://www.boomslang.us/obd2to1.htm
To reduce the chance for me making an error or is it pretty straightforward?
Is it worth buying this conversion harness; http://www.boomslang.us/obd2to1.htm
To reduce the chance for me making an error or is it pretty straightforward?
1996 EJ9 Civic
1998 BB8 Prelude Motegi VTi
1998, B16A2 EK4 Civic VTi
Aims:
EJ9 - Now my GF's car.
BB8 - Rebuild after crash damage to front end.
EK4 - Daily driver. Strip and track prep once prelude project complete
1998 BB8 Prelude Motegi VTi
1998, B16A2 EK4 Civic VTi
Aims:
EJ9 - Now my GF's car.
BB8 - Rebuild after crash damage to front end.
EK4 - Daily driver. Strip and track prep once prelude project complete
- saxophonias
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
is it for our d14? Because it differs a typical obd1 harness.
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Re: The mini-me project. Head swap
It doesn't work for pre facelift D14's ,i've tried it.You need to make a custom harnass.I've found a source where to get the Oem ecu male connectors for the obd1 ecu with pins and everything!
There was also a D14 like female connector but sadly enough it was sold out.That would be perfect to start making D14 pre facelift wire harnesses.
I took a gamble and ordered a few connectors just to see if they would fit.If they do i'll let you guys know ,this would be able to make a oem connection rather then soldering the wires toghether.If it fits i'm going to redo my own D14 Obd1 conversion
There was also a D14 like female connector but sadly enough it was sold out.That would be perfect to start making D14 pre facelift wire harnesses.
I took a gamble and ordered a few connectors just to see if they would fit.If they do i'll let you guys know ,this would be able to make a oem connection rather then soldering the wires toghether.If it fits i'm going to redo my own D14 Obd1 conversion
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